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Stella was saying that she wouldn't mind moving to another country but that if I intended to do so, I should make up my mind fairly soon and not just consider it as a possibility.

She said she wouldn't mind at all moving to Great Britain or Switzerland, but would follow me anywhere I wanted to go. (Except it shouldn't be dangerous due to wild/dangerous/poisonous animals, which rules out Australia for her, natural catastrophes such as hurricanes or flooding or earthquakes, or similar things—hence "Great Britain" rather than "United Kingdom", since she thinks people in Northern Ireland get shot down on the streets every day.)

Any suggestions? Personally, GB sounds interesting right now, but I'm not sure which corner of it. Probably not Leicester, where I have family but where I don't particularly fancy the local accent (I don't know whether I'd like my children speaking to me like that). Maybe somewhere generally south-ish, such as Wiltshire or Kent?

(Vancouver also sounds decent. Especially since I heard that you're not allowed to smoke in restaurants there.)

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 08:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jc.livejournal.com
Come to Scotland, you know you cannot resist. *magnetic pull*

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 08:48 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
Which part, though?

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 09:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jc.livejournal.com
Any part except greater Glasgow. ;)

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 08:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joyitude.livejournal.com
MOVE TO AMERICA. In New England. You know you want to. :P

No seriously. You have to decide that for yourself, Philip.

US

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 08:49 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
I'd (vaguely) considered New Jersey, actually; it sounds nice. But that's not New England any more, is it?

Isn't New England cold? I have this image of snow-covered Vermont roads.

Re: US

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 09:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joyitude.livejournal.com
No, not New England. And yes, New England is cold in the winter, but it's really beautiful. Especially Vermont. Move to Vermont. It's absolutely gorgeous there. Or Boston, which is uber-cool.

Re: US

Date: Monday, 10 November 2003 08:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entirelysonja.livejournal.com
New Jersey? People willingly move to New Jersey???

New Jersey's not bad, really -- it's just that most of us spend a lot of time driving through New Jersey, rather than visiting the state. So New Jersey is a bit of a laughingstock for a lot of people. The New Jersey Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway are not among New Jersey's best attractions.

Good luck deciding where you'd like to live!

Re: US

Date: Thursday, 13 November 2003 08:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] opal1159.livejournal.com
hey, I'm not exactly willing, just following my family =P

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 09:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elgrande.livejournal.com
Why do you want to move away now? You have a job here in Germany, don't you? Anyway, I think it's strange not to move to a certain region just because you fear your kids might speak a weird accent afterwards, cause that's certainly something highly subjective and of lesser importance IMHO.

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 14:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nassus.livejournal.com
I hope that was a troll about Australia. I'm biting!
Australia isn't dangerous! In fact some parts have a much better quality of life than you'll find anywhere else in the world. I think the whole urban myth thing gets blown up out of proportion. You'll get poisonous spiders and snakes just about anywhere in the world Vancouver and the USA included. And we don't really have kangaroos jumping down the main street - thats just tourist propaganda to get the Americans to visit.

Australia

Date: Sunday, 9 November 2003 22:46 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
It's her perception that there are poisonous scorpions and snakes and worse animals all over the place; I don't believe it.

She also won't go bathing in places that "have sharks" (even if they occur infrequently, not at that particular spot, or only far out and not close to land).

*shrug* misconceptions are difficult to clear out, especially when you can't easily go there and say, "See? No (sharks|spiders|whatever) here!"

Re: Australia

Date: Monday, 10 November 2003 08:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entirelysonja.livejournal.com
Everyone I've ever met from Australia or New Zealand has been really friendly and nice. I've long desired to visit that part of the world, but haven't yet managed to arrange it!

Yay! Come to GB :)

Date: Monday, 10 November 2003 01:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinyjo.livejournal.com
All depends what you look for in a place to live. Oxford is lovely - full of beautiful buildings and nice green spaces within the city limits, plus if you like sf/fantasy/comics type stuff, I know some great people to hang out with :) I haven't seen much of the local countryside, not having a car (another good thing - you don't need one. Oxford is not kind to car drivers, but it likes cyclists), but it's not too bad and the transport links are pretty good. The local music scene is buzzing and there's quite a lot of drama, although a majority done by students - if you like that sort of thing you can get to be a reviewer for the local free sheet really easily. The shopping's not great, but London is not far away.

Norwich, where I grew up is also a very pretty city, although not quite as anchient seeming as Oxford. It's got a couple of nice theatres but not much in terms of a local music scene. I also don't really know what it's like socially for adults as once I went to Oxford, I didn't really keep in touch with people out there. One of the best things about Norwich though, is it's proximity to the Norfolk coastline, which is beautiful. If you get a car (and living in Norwich, a car is highly recommended) then you can spend ages exploring pretty little villages on the coast and the broads - that's why my parents moved there in the first place.

The other place I've lived is London, which I didn't enjoy at all. This was partly because I found it difficult to meet people - most of the people I was working with were 20 years older than me and many were commuting from outside London). I also felt that it was too big and too busy. If you like big cities (like New York perhaps) then I'm told London rocks, but they're just not my thing.

Finally (this has turned into a bit of an essay!), my experience is that the accent of the parents has a much stronger impact than the local accent on childrens speech - I grew up in Norfolk the child of 2 Londoners and I have only very slight traces of the Norfolk accent.

Oxford

Date: Monday, 10 November 2003 01:50 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
Wow! Thank you for your essay.

Oxford is lovely - full of beautiful buildings and nice green spaces within the city limits

That sounds good -- green spaces within the city limits are one of the things Stella finds very attractive about Hamburg.

Oxford is not kind to car drivers, but it likes cyclists

That's good, too. I have a license but no car; Stella doesn't have a license and is not planning on getting one. She prefers to get around by public transport or bicycle; I usually use public transport (which is pretty good in Hamburg).

Sounds pretty good to me so far.

Any idea what the job market is like for IT people in Oxford?

Re: Oxford

Date: Monday, 10 November 2003 06:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinyjo.livejournal.com
Probably best described as slow at the moment. There's a reasonable number IT companies around for a city this size but there's not a whole lot of hiring going on as far as I can see. I know people who have communted to Reading from Oxford (1/2 an hour on the train), which has quite a few large firms (like HP and, I think, Microsoft) so that might be an option, although I don't know what hiring is like round there at the moment.

Public transport in Oxford is pretty good for the UK - the only slight hitch being that there are very few buses going all the way from North Oxford to South or East Oxford so if you want to do that you have to change in the city centre. Still, the buses are frequent and cheap. There's also lots of cycle lanes and parts of the city are bus & bike only so cycling is a great option most of the time. You can cycle across the city in about 25 mins I would say.

Re: Yay! Come to GB :)

Date: Monday, 10 November 2003 08:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entirelysonja.livejournal.com
Gee, I'm comment-crazy!

I agree with [livejournal.com profile] tinyjo about accents. I speak much more like my mother than like someone from either of the places in the US where I grew up. I do remember my mother reprimanding me for certain speech patterns she didn't like when I was growing up, so obviously she took an active role.

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