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Sunday, 20 June 2004 09:36
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"Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief."

&mdash Mark 9:24, KJV


Date: Sunday, 20 June 2004 17:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovereigna.livejournal.com
I recently read a book called in 6 days: why 50 scientists choose to believe in creation. I'll tell you what, if I even had any doubts in His existence (and in creation- which was always a confusing point for me)- this book did it. I was just totally blown away by it..

When I get some time I'm going to write a thing up with some of the points that really made an impact on me..

Date: Sunday, 20 June 2004 20:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bicoherent.livejournal.com
Then again, as one web page puts it (http://www.cuyamaca.net/bruce.thompson/Fallacies/popularity.asp), "When Einstein was advocating pacifism, a group of fellow scientists tried to counter his influence by stating their opposition to pacifism. They published a collection of essays titled One Hundred Scientists Against Einstein. When Einstein heard the title, he remarked, `If I were wrong, one would have been enough.'"

For some reason I interpreted the quote as "Lord, I now believe in you; let me stop believing in you so that my lack of belief can help you." As in, "help" is the verb, "thou" is the object, and "mine unbelief" is the subject. Oh well.

Date: Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:27 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
Ah. That interpretation would not have worked since in the language of the KJV, the distinction between thou = subject form and thee = object form was consistent, so "thou" could not have been the object.

Date: Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sovereigna.livejournal.com
`If I were wrong, one would have been enough.'
This book isn't a 'gang up',
It's just a collection of 50 scientists essays written stating their opinions from scientific study and research as to why they believe in the literal 6 day creation as opposed to evolution.

and I can see your interpretation, that's what I originally thought as well, however that kinda doesn't make sense.. how can a 'lack of belief' help someone? God of all people?

Date: Sunday, 20 June 2004 23:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bicoherent.livejournal.com
I think the scientists will have an easier time trying to prove Proto-World ("And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech"). But it seems that the Creation vs. Evolution debate has captured the imagination of more people; maybe it's just because Creation's mentioned right at the start of the Bible.

One can say that "unbelief" really refers to not blindly believing what various self-serving `holy people' say falsely about God. Then a lack of belief means that a person's free from the illusions imposed by these false preachers, and can reach God directly, and by doing so one can help God expand his spiritual empire.

Or, if "thou" is taken to be the subject, then the person's pleading to God to free him from the shackles of misguided beliefs.

That was lame, but it's still not as bad as what Jack Chick and his merry men have done to the Bible...

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