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An interesting construction I came across just now here: the pastor was Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who's said some things that a lot of people don't want a President who believes.

That's the sort of thing that makes me wonder whether English wouldn't be "better" if it had mandatory, or at least optional, resumptive pronouns.

Date: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:35 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
That is a very awkwardly constructed sentence.

It is, and ungrammatical in my 'lect.

I had to think about it and mentally insert the blank (as "who's said some things that a lot of people don't want a President who believes ____" so I'd now what element of the clause was raised as the "that" of the relative pronoun) before I could parse it.

It comes off that the writer is trying to sound very important, but that sentence shows that he tried too hard.

He used a similar construction elsewhere, and my guess was that this is part of his 'lect, rather than a deliberate choice in order to sound important.

You could be right, of course.

Date: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:37 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
It is, and ungrammatical in my 'lect.

More or less as, say, "That's the boy who I like to play with Jim and".

Date: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 21:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hidden-kitten.livejournal.com
That is an ugly little sentence you made, there. D: It's almost like a misplaced modifier, but without the lols.

Date: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 21:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hidden-kitten.livejournal.com
Ungrammatical, yes. Very. Like a sentence fragment. I don't believe I've seen many sentences with a verb at the end. Is it common in other languages?

Date: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 23:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muckefuck.livejournal.com
  1. I have.
  2. It is.

    Date: Wednesday, 30 April 2008 01:07 (UTC)
    From: [identity profile] hidden-kitten.livejournal.com
    Clever clever ;)

    Date: Wednesday, 30 April 2008 04:53 (UTC)
    ext_78: A picture of a plush animal. It looks a bit like a cross between a duck and a platypus. (Default)
    From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
    Compare the grammatical (at least for me) "That's not a book I'd want to read ___", which has the verb at the end, too.

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