Interest meme
Friday, 20 June 2008 07:37Comment on this entry and I'll choose seven interests from your list which I'd like you to explain.
ifeedformula asked me about these:
- Almea
- Zompist
These are connected. Almea is a fictional planet invented by Zompist (Mark Rosenfelder).
The most detailed country on that planet is Verduria, which he originally created as a setting for a D&D campaign, along with its language, Verdurian.
I came across Verduria because Zompist also hosts the sci.lang FAQ: frequently asked questions about linguistics (since I've always been interested in languages), and poked around his site a bit. (This was even before he got zompist.com.)
I learned some Verdurian (and made some conjugation/declension utilities for some of the languages) and was a bit involved in what was happening, though I haven't paid close attention to the site or the world for quite a while now.
I think Verdurian was probably also what got me interested in constructed languages, and it's one of the most elaborate/complete conlangs I've seen so far.
- Ancient Greek
Languages again!
I learned Modern Greek when I went on a two-year mission to Greece and Cyprus; from there to Ancient Greek, it's not that far. (The languages are closer than, say, Modern English and Old English, or so it seems to me. Perhaps more like Icelandic and Old Norse.)
Also, Ancient Greek is a fairly significant language in European history/shared culture, along with Latin (which is also a language I'd like to learn at some point if I have too much free time, or wish I had been able to take at school).
I never formally learned Ancient Greek, but the Modern Greek I did learn helps some in understanding things, as did the grammar of Ancient Greek for (Modern) Greek schoolchildren I acquired while in Greece. I've now also got a couple of dictionaries.
(And I would have had an AG–French as well if I hadn't left it behind in Greece due to weight restrictions: it was something another missionary's parents sent her, since they just saw "grec–français" and didn't know that the variety "grec" in the dictionary wasn't the kind that would be helpful to their daughter! So she gave it to me since she knew I was interested in languages.)
- The Jargon File
The Jargon File has a Wikipedia article. Briefly, it's a dictionary of hacker slang, in the positive sense of the word "hacker".
I first got hold of, I think it was, version 2.9.8 and printed it out and read it; later, I got 2.9.11 and I also acquired two book versions and a T-shirt.
While, as later editions note, some of the "jargon" contained in it is dated, it's still an interesting read IMO. And it also sheds some light on the early days of computer enthusiasts and the culture that surrounded them, since that time was rather different from now where computers and networks are ubiquitous and a part of people's life that's often taken for granted.
The current version is now maintained as HTML files by Eric S. Raymond (ESR) rather than the plain-text file of earlier incarnations.
(Some people object to ESR's editorial style and the kind of words he dropped and added, as well as a few other things, to which he posted a response. Also, some don't like the fact that the HTML version is now the source. In principle, I don't think there's anything to stop anyone "forking" the Jargon File and producing a "better" version, but I don't know of anyone who has done so, so the version maintained by ESR is the current one TTBOMK.)
- toki pona
Another conlang, toki pona is "the simple language of good".
It's a language with a very small vocabulary (just over 100 words); the author (
sonjaaa describes it as "a minimal language that focuses on the good things in life". (That page also has a brief introduction to the history and philosophy of the language.)It's an interesting language, and I like the simple aspects of it. It sometimes makes me a bit sad when people want to express complex things in toki pona, or get very specific nuances—as I understand it, it's meant to be simple rather than precise.
- UTF-8
UTF-8 is a character encoding for Unicode. Roughly speaking, it's a way of representing letters and symbols from many languages and scripts on the computer, and probably the most popular one for Unicode interchange right now.
(You need an encoding for Unicode since Unicode only maps characters to numbers—then you need some way of representing those numbers by actual bytes in a computer, and there are various ways of translating from Unicode code point numbers to bytes.)
It also has some fun properties such as self-segmentation which appeal to the geeky side of me: UTF-8 needs multiple bytes to represent most Unicode characters, but you can always tell by looking at a byte whether it's the beginning of such a sequence or a continuation byte.
- Klingon
Another constructed language, created by linguist Marc Okrand for the Star Trek franchise, and designed to look specifically unusual or un-Earthly, in its choice of phonology (which sounds occur, and also which sounds do not occur—such as alveolar/dental t and retroflex D but not alveolar/dental d or retroflex T) and grammar (such as the object-verb-subject word order, which is the rarest among Earth's languages).
I don't remember how I came across it (though I think I came across it twice, but looked at it only briefly the first time).
I've since bought The Klingon Dictionary (the definitive book on the grammar and basic vocabulary of the language) as well as a couple of other books and cassettes, and put some energy into learning the language at one point. (I passed the first two levels [taghwI' "Beginner" and ghojwI' "Intermediate"] of the Klingon Language Certification Program as assessed by the person marking the tests, though I don't have any official confirmation of that [yet?]. I also haven't spent much energy maintaining my proficiency since then.)
I remember attending my first qepHom "minor meeting" of Klingon language enthusiasts several years ago; even though I had studied the language on my own for a bit, it was a small (positive) shock when I heard two people speaking Klingon with each other in the hallway—it was the first time that I had come across the use of spoken Klingon for communication, and drove home the point that this was a language, not just an intellectual game for people to translate sentences into in writing.
I'm still interested in Klingon in principle, and still remember some of the vocabulary I learned, but am not currently putting effort into maintaining my fluency.
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Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 05:41 (UTC)I probably won't repost it in my journal, though...
nyssa
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 16:14 (UTC)And as a comment rather than in your journal is fine; it's what I do with memes often enough.
Re: nyssa
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:39 (UTC)2: Gloomy Bear is a character created by Mori Chack, a Japanese animator. Here is a picture of him. (http://pics.livejournal.com/nyssa/pic/000wyh77/s640x480) The story is about Pity, a human boy who finds baby Gloomy in a box and takes him home. His mother tells him that it's not a good idea to raise a bear as a pet, but he keeps Gloomy anyway. Gloomy grows up, becomes violent, and spends most of his free time mauling Pity in various ways. Basically, the entire thing is satire, commenting on how stupid those people who try to raise obviously wild animals as pets are. (But he's so cute!)
3: Prismacolors are a brand of extremely high-quality, extremely expensive, art supplies. They're most well-known for their color pencils and their markers, both of which go down very smoothly, and both of which blend exceptionally well. Most artists drool at the mere mention of them, because they're wonderful. A set of 156 markers, however, sells for about $250 (the pencils are only a little cheaper), so I won't be getting full sets of either anytime soon. :(
4: Sexy hobbits is one I should probably remove. I've had it in my interests for a really long time. When the Lord of the Rings movies were coming out, I had a huge crush on Elijah Wood, the actor that played Frodo. That's really all there is to say about this one. :P
5: Unitarianism refers to the religion of the church I was (mostly) raised in. When I was growing up, we went to the Unitarian Universalist church. I don't go to church very often now (too busy / UU churches are hard to get to), but I still consider myself Unitarian Universalist (usually just abbreviated down to "Unitarian", hence the interest being "Unitarianism", not "Unitarian Universalism" - it's just too long, lol). This site (http://uua.org) can explain the religion itself better than I could, probably, so I'll give you the link and leave it at that. ;)
6: This one is easy. I put it in there just to be funny. ;) That's also why I have ♥ and the ellipses in my interests. It amused me to put non-words.
7: Des-ROW is a Japanese music group, mostly known for the songs they had featured in Dance Dance Revolution, a musical video game. However, their non-DDR stuff is actually pretty good (in my opinion). Their genre is kind of a mix of genres, all rock-associated. Some songs are a little more metal, but they've got other things in there too (one song is even a ballad). They've only got one CD, but I think another is coming soon, which is exciting.
There you go! :)
Re: nyssa
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:39 (UTC)Re: nyssa
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 19:49 (UTC)Re: nyssa
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 19:50 (UTC)Ah! I was wondering what was up with those two.
I guessed something Tokio Hotel-related, but couldn't figure out the "-stav" bit.
Re: nyssa
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 21:13 (UTC)But yeah, almost every pairing has its own name (there's Billstav and Tomstav, which you've already heard about, and there's also Biorg, Torg, and Gustorg; the exception is Bill/Tom, which people generally just call twincest or Kaulitzcest).
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Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 05:43 (UTC)pthalogreen
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:04 (UTC)no subject
Date: Tuesday, 24 June 2008 00:29 (UTC)2. constantly wearing socks - there's something wrong with our feet and they react really badly to being touched. it's strange because it's not a ptsd thing, we never had any trauma with our feet, etc. it's not like they're a personal part of the body. but anything touches our feet and we break out into a cold sweat and our adrenaline starts pumping and it's not fun. And wearing cotton socks can prevent that.
3. longest word in the hungarian language. means something like "for your lack of the ability to be desecrated" or some such.
4. prehensile breasts - we have large breasts and they can be used to carry small items such as packs of smokes, lighters, paper back books, etc.
5. my numbers are off, what did i miss? oh, making my teeth bleed - well every now and then i get the urge to improve my dental hygiene by brushing my teeth for five minutes and then scraping off plaque with a needle and then poking at my gums and i get very ocd about it and by the end my mouth is mostly bleeding, but quite clean.
6. unwholesome fun - i think that was one of lissy's or pthalo's interest. they were more into sex than Hannah and I are.
7. laughing at native speakers - when i learn a language like Hungarian or Serbian and I get to the level where my usage is better than native speaker usage (in some areas) i really enjoy it. For example while I still make a few non native speaker mistakes in Hungarian, they're very minor. But I don't make any native speaker mistakes, and i can spot them very easily and I have no problems with them. So I think it's kinda funny when they don't speak their own language right.
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Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 05:48 (UTC)kamara
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:06 (UTC)Re: kamara
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 21:09 (UTC)Reticulating splines! Simcity.
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Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 05:49 (UTC)squigglz
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:08 (UTC)Re: squigglz
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 21:18 (UTC)2. My ass has been described as such. I am in favor of round asses sir.
3. How I say I want to snuggle when I'm super damn sleepy.
4. Tastycakes are only the most delicious mass-produced snack cakes I've ever tasted. http://www.tastykake.com/ It's a regional thing.
5. Shit, who -doesn't- like cute little hats with ears on them?
6. I use scritches to refer to the act of putting ones hand in someones hair and half scratching/half rubbing the scalp in an affectionate manner. I'm not sure, but I think furries have a different definition.
7. An anime I really like.
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Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 05:52 (UTC)(Basically just interested what you would choose that isn't self-explanatory...)
anicca_anicca
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:11 (UTC)no subject
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 11:56 (UTC)rick_day
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:13 (UTC)Not that much to choose from :)
Re: rick_day
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 19:36 (UTC)2. klingons the geekdom I embrace
3. vtx1300 the model of the MOTORCYCLE I ride
4. kolbrin The one True Bible
5. dink what my Grand Vista scooter is known as worldiwde, except in NA
6. blue ridgeThe area of the country I have a cabin in
7. null425 null 625 is a special subset genetic category I belong to. Most people whose ancestors came from WEstern Europs (Spain, france, GB, Ireland, Wales, etc) has the null 425 marker.
Conlangs and Esperanto
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 12:01 (UTC)Re: Conlangs and Esperanto
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:20 (UTC)Thank you! Though none of the conlangs I mentioned are ones I'd call "mine" -- Verdurian is pretty strongly Zompist's, and Klingon is Marc Okrand's or Paramount's, depending on how you look at it. Even Lojban, which I've also dabbled in, isn't mine.
Have you ever learned Esperanto?
Define "learn".
I have looked at it a bit and have picked up some grammar and vocabulary both from textbooks and from reading texts in Esperanto. I can understand a fair bit of written Esperanto. But I've never spent much energy formally/actively learning the language. (I did start a correspondence course over e-mail but lost the energy after three lessons or so; especially the memorising of vocabulary was a big chore which I disliked.)
I remember a book called Tesi la Testudo in the local library in Elmshorn, back when I still lived with my parents; it was an Esperanto textbook for German speakers and had cute stories about Tesi the turtle and her friends, and I'd check it out occasionally.
I can fake writing Esperanto, probably with about as much success as I fake writing Dutch - some will be correct because I know the words; a fair bit may be correct or at least recognisable, but was merely guessed based on my knowledge of related languages; and some will be simply wrong.
I recommend it for practical use.
Hee :) I think you're overly optimistic, there. While there are many reasons to learn Esperanto, "practical use" is probably not one I'd list, except in certain specific cases.
The chance of encountering another Esperanto speaker at random seems rather low to me; the fina venko is still a long way off IMO.
Re: Conlangs and Esperanto
Date: Saturday, 21 June 2008 21:07 (UTC)Indeed, the language has some remarkable practical benefits. Personally, I've made friends around the world through Esperanto that I would never have been able to communicate with otherwise. And then there's the Pasporta Servo, which provides free lodging and local information to Esperanto-speaking travellers in over 90 countries. In the past year I have had guided tours of Berlin and Milan in the planned language. I have discussed philosophy with a Slovene poet, humour on television with a Bulgarian TV producer. I've discussed what life was like in East Berlin before the wall came down, how to cook perfect spaghetti, the advantages and disadvantages of monarchy, and so on. I recommend it, not just as an ideal but as a very practical way to overcome language barriers.
Esperanto
Date: Sunday, 22 June 2008 05:07 (UTC)But I daresay that most of the other things are even better filled by English - not because it's intrinsically better suited for the job (it probably isn't), but simply because it's de facto an international communication language and many people learn it.
See LiveJournal, for example: many people on it write in English even if this is not their main language, and it lets them meet people from all sorts of countries.
Or consider the billion-odd people in India, with dozens of native languages. How many people there can you make friends with through Esperanto that you would never have been able to communicate with otherwise? How many through English?
I don't want to knock those who learn Esperanto for reasons of their own. It just seems to me that if, say, someone from Papua New Guinea, who speaks a dozen languages all of which are spoken essentially only on his island, wants to community with more people from over the world, he'd reach more people if he learned English than Esperanto.
He'd probably even have more chances with Russian or Chinese than with Esperanto - Russian because so many people in former Soviet-dominated countries learned Russian, and Chinese because there are so many people who learn Mandarin as a first or second tongue.
Now, if the topic is "let's pick a constructed language", then Esperanto is definitely the #1 way to speak to people; I'm pretty confident that it's got more speakers than Interlingua, Volapük, and Ido put together.
But I think it's more of an idealistic thing at the moment.
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Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 14:51 (UTC)ifeedformula
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:14 (UTC)no subject
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:23 (UTC)no subject
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 15:15 (UTC)Klingon...cool.
tonytraductor
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:22 (UTC)Re: tonytraductor
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 21:02 (UTC)To my LJ of course...
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Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 17:42 (UTC)no subject
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 19:52 (UTC)(And I think
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Date: Thursday, 24 July 2008 12:43 (UTC)I confess....
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 21:01 (UTC)I'm one of those heretics, too...I can't deny it...
Worse, not only am I not ashamed, but, I admit it:
I'm PROUD to be a UU!
Re: I confess....
Date: Friday, 20 June 2008 21:14 (UTC)no subject
Date: Saturday, 21 June 2008 00:33 (UTC)nik_w
Date: Sunday, 22 June 2008 05:03 (UTC)Esperanto
Date: Saturday, 21 June 2008 09:44 (UTC)I suggest not because it has become a living language - eight British MP's have nominated Esperanto for the Nobel Peace, for example - but because it has great propaedeutic values as well.
You can check detail on http://www.esperanto.net
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Date: Sunday, 22 June 2008 07:28 (UTC)ubykhlives
Date: Sunday, 22 June 2008 14:18 (UTC)(And I'm a little surprised nobody else is interested in "silbo Gomero"!)
Re: ubykhlives
Date: Monday, 23 June 2008 00:33 (UTC)Anyway:
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This was a club that my father and his friends formed when in high school: the "Snoozin' Boozin' Cruisin' Shaggin' Draggin' Faggin' Wagon, North Pine Dam Van Club Pty. Ltd. Inc. of the First Generation". He refers to me and my siblings affectionately as "of the Second Generation", and I guess the joke has become pretty firmly stuck (despite the fact that I don't own a van).
scurfing
Scurfing is a watersport in which a person is towed behind a boat on a surfboard. It's the predecessor to wakeboarding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakeboarding), but differs from it in that wakeboarding uses specialised boards and equipment, whereas scurfing just uses an ordinary surfboard. I used to enjoy it when on holidays, but haven't had the chance to do it since my back injury. I'm looking forward to getting back into it, though.
congenital disorders
Having a biomedical science background, I find congenital disorders a fascinating area of study. The array of things that can possibly go wrong with the developing human body makes one wonder how any human beings ever manage to be born healthy, and I find it enthralling to read about the advances being made towards understanding the mechanisms of various congenital disorders so that they can be more effectively treated, screened for, or perhaps even cured.
taking it slow
I decided when I was very young that the shallowness with which some of my age-mates entered into and left relationships simply didn't appeal, so "taking it slow" is just a distillation - a mantra, if you like - of how my ideal relationship would go. I believe a relationship should be a journey, not a steady state.
everclear
Everclear are a rock band from the U.S. whose music I've liked for a long time. I haven't heard much of what they've done recently, but I own several of their CDs.
foamy
The main character of the web cartoon Neurotically Yours (http://www.illwillpress.com/), about a goth girl and her pet squirrels. Foamy is one of the squirrels. It's got a lot of coarse language, sexual innuendo, and on occasion animated gore, which seems to have got worse with time (so I haven't watched much of it lately, and right now I'm not sure I'd recommend it to anyone) but there have been a couple of very funny episodes in the past.
deathly hallows
That is, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, perhaps my favourite book at the moment. The culmination of the Harry Potter series, and (in my opinion, at least) a very well-done climax to the series. I don't know if you've read it, but I loved the way in which Deathly Hallows linked the previous six books together and tied them all up in one vast epic. In a way, this really stands for the whole Harry Potter series, which I thoroughly enjoyed.