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I was just reading the Wikipedia entry on Mind Your Language and saw that one character was played by Kevork Malikyan.

So I thought, hey, his first name reminds me of Jack Kevorkian's last name.

And that made me think, hey, -ian is an Armenian patronymic, isn't it. So it would make sense that there's a given name "Kevork" that "Kevorkian" is derived from.

And I wondered what names that might be cognate with, and thought it might be "George"... I seemed to recall "o" turning into "vo" in some places in Armenian, so "Kevork" matches fairly well with "Georg".

Date: Monday, 12 January 2009 18:49 (UTC)
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the West Armenian consonant shift that flips voiced and voiceless unaspirated consonants

Speaking of which - I've had "learning the Armenian alphabet" on my to-do list for ages, and one of the things that keeps putting me off when I occasionally attempt it is not knowing which pronunciation to learn (Western or Eastern).

Do you have any recommendations? Is either more "useful" (for some subjective value thereof)?

Date: Monday, 12 January 2009 19:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muckefuck.livejournal.com
FWIW, most Armenians living in Western Europe speak Western Armenian.

The pronunciation differences are really very minor; it's not hard to learn both pronunciations. One advantage to the Western version of the alphabet is that it hasn't undergone the same spelling reform as Eastern Armenian, a process which eliminated some letters (such as օ) and changed rules on the usage of others (for instance, Յ can no longer represent /h/ in initial position). It did improve the sound-symbol correspondences, but the price was the loss of a lot of etymological information.

Since I imagine you're more interested in how Armenian relates to other languages (such as Greek), you'd be better served learning a more etymological spelling. Of course, if that's your focus, probably the best approach would be to learn the Classical Armenian values, then the few correspondences necessary to read them with modern Eastern or Western pronunciations as need be.

Oh, and about the sound shift. I think the current favoured theory is that the Classical Armenian distinction was: unaspirated, ejective, and aspirated. In Eastern dialects, the unaspirated series was non-contrastively voiced as well, and this persists even in varieties which have lost distinctive glottalisation. In Western varieties, the ejective series simply became the voiced series.

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